the site has it's rules i expect which may include not slagging people off
if you don't like someone you don't talk to them

free speech has it's limits i.e slanderand libel

the spectrum fairness site admin better review some off the blogs/posts on here as some of them may be slanderous/libelous

the admin on the site in question are there to help and support everyone and DO NOT deserve the stick you and your buddies are giving them.

if you and your buddies don'tlike the site don't go on there

dunno what the problem is? if i register on a site and dont like it i vote with my feet and go find a diffeent website, dont seem to be any big deal for me specially whn they are privateyly owned sites .. whats the fuss

Now theyve banned her completely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why not just call it a support site FOR ADMIN??????????????????????

I have made enquiries to ascertain the validity of your statement and find that it is untrue. Nobody has been banned. Perhaps you should ensure you have all the facts and that they are correct before making misleading and incorrect statements.

unimpressed what exactly is your problem?

if you don't like it don't go there simple as

I've been around this site for a while now and quite honestly it's people like you Unimpressed that put me off joining in and posting. As far as I can tell Administrator's get very little support regardless of some of them giving a great deal. There is a lot of snidy remarks and comments made and then bad feelings and atmosphere are very apparent. In my opinion it's these people that should be banned maybe then the site would get to how it was a while ago when I first started to look at posting. There seems to be a lot of underhanded things going on around the forum I don't know what it is just a feeling and it's very uncomfortable for me personally, it's like you just know that others are being talked about behind their backs, it's like a ticking time bomb about to go off and I for one am very saddenned as it's supposed to be a help and support group, Not a place for people to cause trouble the peole that go there are already in a bad place they don't need another one.

The whole point is that the original poster does not have the correct facts and is making assumptions. I reiterate my point and state quite categorically that my investigations reveal that no-body has been banned. The original poster's statement is incorrect and misleading.

I would also like to reply to the "Site" (SF) and point out that 50% of the Admin Team on the site in question are neuro diverse themselves - I have no idea whether the original poster is or not. Therefore, perhaps one could question the "fairness" being shown towards ND people who give up their time for nothing to support others who are ND.

Hmmm .. long time Ive been on this Site - sad to say nobody replied to my post dated 17 March?

U2

Now there's been another cull!

Darky, Chrissie, FeeinLeeds

The site has gone riiiiiiggggghht down the pan.

Eeven their posts sayin bye were deleted. As always admin were allowed to make negative comments about samanthas SENDIST tribunal with JM saying she couldnt see the point but then when people objected posts were locked and when people said bye we're leaving and mentioned it their posts were deleted. someone needs to ask caroline what's going on, such rubbish to say that everyone's entitled to there opinions and then to delete messages which express opinions about other peoples opinions

Not a support site anymore, not at all

Again, this person has not bothered to ensure that her facts are correct. There has been NO cull, members requested their accounts be closed, their requests were complied with. No admin member made negative comments on any post, two admin members tried to interpret the reason why 2 other members had been negative.

Unfortunately, negativity does go hand in hand with adhd and co-morbids.

And, unfortunately, Admin Members cannot FORCE members to post on specific threads nor are they able to dictate what individual members say.

The original poster on the Sendist Thread has not made any comment or asked to have her account closed. Unfortunately some of her friends obviously felt it was the noble thing to do, although the original poster remains a member of the site and doesnt appear to have any complaint?

If YOU would like to ask the Site Owner any questions yourself, please feel free to do so.

U2

If members leave of their free will is this admin's faults??? NO

If people disagree with another member and has a differing opinion is this admin's fault???????? NO

GET YOUR FACTS CORRECT BEFORE SHOOTING DOWN A EXCELLENT SITE

it's the same memberscauseing the trouble AND IT AIN'T ADMIN

Concerned thanks for your concern! But you have confused me, if it was me you were talkin to, how am i not all there???? I haven't had a long grudge, only recent cos i see people I like gettin shat on, and it's not exactly hatred, as well as that I aint middle aged, thanks very much!
My kids are fine thanks for being concerned!

Im not dangerous but it does make me laugh that peopleon here gettin so defensive over slander and lible and that and then make accuzations like that! like alwyas its one rule for you and one for everyone else. Like this whole thing of if anyone sez there leaving there account gets closed..........well how many times does Joolymom say shes leavin and does a whole dramatic goodbye thing and then she dont get her account closed does she?????????

At then end of the day it aint just me who thinks theres problems on adders, so perhaps instead of gettin bitchy on here the admin team could do somethin about it. I no someone said in a post above that if people want to complain why not do it on adders website but then you get banned like it sez in the terms and conditions thingymubob for any reason anyone likes so no point. it used to be a great site but now you cant say anythin without worryin that everyones at you.

admin use your energy to sort the site out, decide whether its a site whwere people can say what they want to say or a site where things are not allowed just don't keep pretendin its the first when you make it the second!

It did used to be great on Adders.

But then Tony Blair used to be Prime Minister. Big Brother used to be interesting. Summers used to be hot and dry!

I guess stuff changes.

Your comments are exactly that, comments. It is obvious from your previous posts that you make wild accusations on this Site (SF) without having the correct facts. I note you have chosen not to respond to my previous posts here regarding this.

All Sites such as that one have a User Agreement or "rules" as you like to call them. All Members agree to abide by those rules when they register onto a Site. Breach of the rules results in the actions laid down in the Agreement.

People are asked to contact the Admin Team (or the Site Owner direct) if they have a problem and efforts are made to redress all issues directed thus.

You will be happy to hear, however, that it seems to be a small minority who are determined to disrupt the running of the Site, thankfully most Members are responsible, mature individuals (also affected by adhd) who understand the User Agreement and manage to enjoy their Membership without any problems at all.

Im sure you will agree that it's such a shame that a few spoil things for the many - but then, perhaps the few ought to start their own Site and see that it isnt such an easy job after all, especially if they have to fund it themselves aswell.

If you don't like a site SHUT THE F*U*C*K UP AND STOP GOING THERE

but the point is that instead of swearing at people why not just sort the site out, supposed to be a support site so that dont go with the idea of swearing at people who suggest ways to improve things does it and accusing them of bein bad parents and dangerous and mad which may i say dont llok too good if your usin that as an insult as thats not supposed to me an insult if someone is mentally ill, which im not just annoyed!

as my daughter says...........whatEVer

I check this site very infrequently cos I am nosy about what crap is being said. This comment thread is fascinating. Who gives a flying fig about who bans who from a site? If it is a private site surely it is up to the owner how it is run and if you don't like it then you dont have to go there?

Maybe I have got the wrong end of the stick on this one but it sounds like a load of sour grapes to me. Who got banned? Why? and wy should anyone else care?

Would all those complaining please grow up and get a life as you really need to have something in your life to take your mind off any real or imagined slight from a website! Please, contact your GP and find a therapist!

Bad things are hapening in this world. Really bad things. Get it in perspective!

yeahhhhhhhhhhh your nothing to do with the site in question at all are you.

why would you go to the trouble of posting a comment and getting involved if you had no interest, admin stop hidin and be real!

perhaps people give a flying fig because its supposed to be a support site and some people have no other lifelines and then it gets taken away from them by people who cant be honest and appply the rules fairly so that it can actually work as what its supposed to be, a support site not just a site where the chosen few can say what they like and everyone else says anythin bad or remotly critical and gets in trouble

admin except it or not, people are sick of your mind games and random applying of the rules thats why people are leavin and criticisin you

at least here we are allowed opinions and to actually have some kind of freedom. as has beeen said of course people can choose to post on adders or not but it should be a good place to go theres nowhere else for adhd and it is was fair it would be fine, and if admin got themeselves out from hiding behind fake names, after all they won't get banned only little people like me need to hide behind fake names or id be banned for daring to speak against the almighty admin team. think about it for every me theres 5 others like me who feel annoyed but dont know how to express it because theres no right to reply on adders wihtout admin locking or deleting posts!

actually, I am serious. I posted here probably much for the same reason as you are ranting about a website. Cos I have nothing better to do with my life and as this has been going on nearly a year now I thought I would satisfy my curiosity.

Now, from what I can see you are angry with a website. As far as I can gather this is a privately owned website and so can do what it wants. You say you are angry as it is supposed to be a support website but you have been kicked off it. Why would they do that? Surely they must have a reason? But, do they need one? If, as you say, they have a user agreement that allows them to do as they please, why are you surprised when they do?

I really am curious. Nothing more. Maybe I should have used that as my sign in here instead of being a little more agressive and saying I don't care. But, I don't really care.

Have fun slagging off the site if you want to. Do you really think that it will do any good? I only come here for the crap gossip cos that is all this site has. No one who comes here does so to read anything good about anyone. so, no one is disappointed when all they read is this sort of complaining and moaning and unsupportive crap.

Live with it. Life sucks. Wake up and look at the world around you. There is so much stuff out there more concerning than a website that won't let you play with them. What about terrorism? That worries me! Global warming? people being murdered? People dying due to lack of food? These things concern me greatly. You not being allowed on a website and continuing a hate campaign against them does not concern me. I will leave you to your hatred and go back to trying to change the world for the better rather than complaining about what a horrid place it is.

it makes me laugh so much when you admin say oh get a life and start swearin and say oh go elsewhere because if you had any kind of proper defense at all for the stupid stuff youre doin to adders youd say it. all that your abuse of me and the others proves is that you know that what we are sayin is right and your just annoyed that we are pointin it out! thats all. it dont take away from what we are sayin

if its so sad that we are sayin that theres a problem with adders then why are you wastin your time on here? your only as bad as us by bein on here and pretendin to be nothin to do with it and sayin ooh your mental ooh go and do your own and ooh ** * *** . at least we aint swearin and gettin personal about your families! Like blummin schoolkids saying your mum this and your mum that except your sayin ooh you must be a rubbish mum. Im not cheers. my daughter wouldnt give a monkeys what I do on the internet, she would probably be behind the idea of me stickin up for what is happenin to other people who dont even get no right to reply and cant even say goodbye without admin swoopin in to delte it.

so suck it up admin and sort out your site, supposed to be a site for everyone, even heard you was askin for donations well I hope those people who pay you money get a say in your admin decisions. point bein sort out your site rather than criticisin us for complainin, thered be no need for the complainin if there wasnt any problems now would there??????

totallydontgivea damn

you misunderstand I have not been banned, some of my friends have, just on the adders site you aint allowed to have an opinion. this is the only place I can say what i feel. It aint just me, lots feel the same and have been forced to leave because of it, if you aint been on there you cant really get it, so many people depend on that site and are forced to leave because there not part of the leaders gang or dare to criticise any one

the last bit of your post sums it up, rather than whinge in private about that site i am tryin in my own little way to make things better on that site. not exactly changin the world i grant you but about changin a small part of the world thats important to me and a lifeline for others

I admit it. I am one of Admin Team. I am just too gutless to say what I really feel and have to resort to swearing because I am an inarticulate cretin and have no other way of expressing my trauma at being part of such a self-righteously ruthless Admin Team.

All these people who criticise Adders.org are perfectly correct and have a perfect right to express their opinions. After all, we are all adults and as such Adders.org should stop preventing people from expressing their opinions. I think that...

HELP! WHAT AM I SAYING?! I MEAN, If you don't like a site SHUT THE F*U*C*K UP AND STOP GOING THERE. I HAVE NO OTHER WAY TO EXPRESS ANYTHING RATHER THAN SWEARING AND SHOUTING AND PRETENDING I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ADMIN TEAM

Adders Admin. Because we care...sorry, don't care.

I am 'concerned'.

about me? no need dear cheers

And still the complainees on here have not answered any of my posts? Perhaps I am being too logical and trying to answer your queries and generally trying to be being too helpful. It appears that regardless of your ranting and raving, you actually DONT want a cocnlusion to this matter, all you want is somewhere to shout?

To whoever said " i am tryin in my own little way to make things better on that site "

So am I actually, but I dont think you are going about it in a very adult manner, are you? It really is pointless having a bun fight on SF is it, you are addressing your concerns to the wrong people in the wrong way and on the wrong site.

Ah well, never let it be said that I havent tried.

U2

Who told you yor friends gont banned? your friends? well the truth has proberbly got distorted.

Chinese whisperswhere things get changed

I have tried in my last 3 posts to offer suggestions of ways in which these matters may be redressed without any need for "verbal violence" or personal comments. As nobody seems willing to respond I conclude that, in reality,none of you do want to "sort it out".

If you are unwilling to accept mediation then I can only assume that a succesful outcome is not what you desire. You merely want to use the SF Site to air your own grudges against a Site (for whatever reasons of your own?)

MESSAGE TO SITE : Your comments please? (I would also add that, I am informed, that some of the people actually named in this "thread" are neuro-diverse themselves and feel that they are also being unfairly treated - is this not contrary to the mission statement and ethos of your Site?)

Quite fed up now with the bickering here from someone who actually insulted myself and others which is why they were banned.

They had no interest in replying to various questions admin asked them via email but continued to go on about something that they said hadn't been answered to them! In fact it was answered and they didn't like the answer.

OK so others have recently asked to have membership deleted - or they wanted to leave - this was done - they are now no longer registered members in their own original names

However I have no doubt that all of these so called "banned" people are actually still members of adders.org under other names and they obviously feel that it is "clever" to spy and try to find occasions to cause trouble for myself and the rest of the admin team.

Having ADHD diagnosed myself and with a number of the admin team maybe undiagnosed as well as diagnosed ADHD I am afraid I find this underhand type of thing very annoying and therefore am totally fed up with it all.

Thing is if these so called "banned" people are still posting and reading and replying to various emails including test emails in which admin are trying to maintain security of the site and safety of members - these people are obviously lying in their replies which is unsettling to say the least!

I find that they seem to lie in wait until they know when either one or two members of the admin team - including myself - are having a major bad time in our own lives away from the site to suddenly pick that time to start their vendetta again !

Surely this is not fair as it causes far more work and agro for these members of admin and myself and makes things 100 times harder to cope with our own problems as well as problems on the site!

This means that obviously that these people are so against the admin team and myself as site owner that they want to make our lives far more complicated and difficult and especially at times when things are already tuff for us personally!

Is that what you are intending to do? If so in my view that is a very very sad outlook on things

Oh well it is obvious that you do not want to sort things out and leave us alone to do what we are doing to help many people but you are going to continue to make life harder for us for your own personal enjoyment

To me that is nothing but vile but there you go that is obviously the type of person you are and well at the end of the day we will cope and carry on as it is what we do - I will continue to pay the bills and maybe get the odd donation in to help toward this - BTW I do this out of my own money even tho I don't work and am registered disabled! You with your job and income who has never probably contributed to help with the running of the site and all you can do is sit back and cause hassle.

Fair enough! Maybe if you would be open and honest and admit to any other name or names you register on adders with and decide that you are prepared to sort this out once and for all then maybe everyone will be able to get on with their lives in peace!

I very much doubt however that you or your "friends" would like to admit who you are now on adders as I very much doubt that you have the guts to do that do you??

At least I have bothered to come on here under my own name openly admitting who I am rather than hiding behind fake names and identities and in some cases even trying to pretend to be people who we know you certainly are not!

Come on open up admit everything and come out into the open why don't you??

Regards Caroline (adders.org site owner)

caroline i have never insulted you or been banned so dont know why your sayin that. what are you sayin? that me and darkness and unimpressed are all the same person? well if that makes you happy beleive that then. but if you were bein real youd see that theres more then one person mightily annoyed with how you are runnin adders. yeahhh its your site but forums cant survive that way with only a few people controllin what is said as you are now seein. other boards i go to about other stuff have a button to press if a post offends, posts dont just get locked or deleted randomly and the admin team dont just randomly jump on vendetta bandwagons

as for sayin that we should all say what our real names or adders names are.............why would we do that when youd then use that as an excuse to ban us like all the others, you have no interest in sortin this out you just want us to shut up as other members of your admin team have so politely said!!!!!!!!!!

Why won't you tell us who you are??????

I am a member but not as admin

how sad a example are you to your kids

Confused123

Caroline, I am guessing that this refers to me:

"Quite fed up now with the bickering here from someone who actually insulted myself and others which is why they were banned.

They had no interest in replying to various questions admin asked them via email but continued to go on about something that they said hadn't been answered to them! In fact it was answered and they didn't like the answer."

I can see why, because I was the main contributor to the previous thread on this issue, but to be honest, I have never hid behind another name or wanted to. I have the guts to say it 'to your face'. My only major issue with you was that you would not let me do that on your site. You can't stand the free speech that sites like this allow because then you can't control the version of events that is given.

I have been alerted to what is happening at the moment by a number of people, many ex-members of your site, some who still post under new names, some current members, with the common bond being that they are sad about what is happening over there. I, personally, see you as a lost cause. I don't have the time to fight those sorts of things;I'd far rather fight causes that can be won, like my son's cause. I don't believe that you or your website will ever improve, and you have to accept that that is why people are leaving. Don't make me the mythical bogeyman who's out to get you. I still look on your site, but only occasionally for info. (See, there are so many good things about your site, it's a shame that you can't resolve your admin.teams' power obsession. )

So I am not all of these people complaining! If you want your members to be happy, do something about it. If you don't, don't. Simple as that really. But don't blame me for a mess of your own creation! I have far more important things than you to be worrying about and perhaps your energies should be diverted towards resolving the real source of the problem!

As an interested bystander who has tried to assist, I now accept that all of the people complaining here really do not want to conclude this matter in a mutually acceptable manner.

It has been extremely difficult to actually pinpoint what the actual complaint is? At first I thought it was that people had been banned for no reason - I now understand that nobody has been banned and that people have left of their own accord.

I also read that there is a "vendetta" being waged by the admin people on the site? Based on what I read here, it seems to be quite the opposite?

In all of this, not one of you has stated that you feel discriminated againt because you are neuro-diverse? I think that this is what this Site SF is all about - an arena for ND people to air their views with regard to discrimination against them by internet Sites?

I have read all the posts with an open mind and digested the information in an unbiased manner and I feel that people appear to be misusing SF for their own personal reasons and not using it for the reasons it appears to have been specifically set up for.

I also feel that as the people complaining are not going to address their concerns direct to the Site Owner of adders, there seems very little point to any more discussion.

Such a shame really - this is the kind of thing that has led to unbelievable bloodshed and human suffering in past years - if only people would actually talk to each other

Whatever happened to intelligent discussion and mediation.

U2

Interested bystander!!!!!! Open mind!!!!! Unbiased!!!!!!Yeahhhhhright. We know who you are another admin front. anyway please do remind us of your suggestions for sortin things out coz i aint seen any. really. perhaps I cant read so well but i really cant see any of these socalled suggestions, your just tryin to make it seem like your so reasonable and were just being sulky but your offerin nothing new except blamin the members who arent happy.

Can I just suggest that no one else reply anymore to these anti-adders.org morons, as to be honest there never going to be satisfied!!

yeah because if i disagree with you i must be a moron because oviously your always right. how nice to live in a world where you are perfect and everyone around you with a different opinion is stupid

You are making wild assumptions again.

I am employed in Advocacy and as I have friends on both sides of this conflict felt I would offer my services insofar as mediation was concerned.

Obviously this is not going to happen. The conflict here would try even the patience of Solomon, I fear.

In conclusion, I would like to say that I have been and read the User Agreement on that site and I quote this Clause :

"The Owner of adders.org reserves the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread or delete any Members' account for any reasons she feels are valid".

As I understand that all people registering on that Site are required to accept the terms of the User Agreement, I conclude that none of the complainees on here have a valid complaint.

It follows that if anybody does not accept the terms laid down in this User Agreement then they should not agree to them and therefore not wish to register as a member.

This may not be what people would wish to hear but, to an unbiased mediator (which is what I am, regardless of any other assumptions that people care to make)who has read all the posts here and made further investigations on both sides, this I am afraid is my final conclusion.

U2

I am not admin but when admin do something certain members don't like they get attacked.

Iremember reading that some people posted there to ay they were leaving so lost their membership according to the user agreement, they they tell other people they got banned.

Attacking people who have /will continue to help people like us will not help us, talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

In my opinion there is npthing wrtong with the site owner or her admin team, only moody ex-members who are pissed off that they can't/haven't got their own way.

Confused123 Adders.org supporter

PS Adders was ok to you lot when you was on take now you left OFF YOUR OWN BACK, Where else are you going to get the FREE info,FREE help and FREE support?

The rules changed, that was added in later, i certanly never signed up for that at the time because i remember it being added in and thinkin how bad is that that stuff can just be wiped for no reason except one person feels like it.

come on u2, tell us those suggestions for sortin things out again because ive reread and reread and they still aint poppin out on me

By the way unimpressed2 do you deny that you are a member of the admin team?

Themostunimpressedofalltheunimpressed

Most sites do acually update the rules from time to timeit is the members resposibility to keep uptodate with the rules.

All forum owner have the right to alter the rules and move/delete posts if the memebers break the rules, memebers cannot pick and choose what rules they abide by.

Again if you don't like a site don't go there go somewhere like here just go else where for help or support(but you sound like you don't need either)

So your sayin annoyed that if I join a site and sign up to its conditions and then they change them that i should leave. Maybe your right but i think that if im a member who gives a lot to others in the way of support which i do actually do on the site in question that i should have some right to stay but to still be able to question new policies when i think there blatantly wrong and used to silence peoples opinons. maybe youve had good experiences on there but some of my friends and people who contributed loads eg bimbo and darky have had to leave because they too didnt agree with how things were goin. i think that people should be allowed to say how they feel i think its wrong that people can get banned or HAVE TO leave because things get so bad. you may not but that dont give you the right to swear at me and say im wrong just because you dont agree.

Do you know what? DEAL with it! WE have the responsibility and the power NOT you! WE are in charge, NOT you! That's why we have privileges like our own pictures, which was yet another thing for people to whinge about (admin have it, why can't we? Wahwahwah).

You don't like it? Don't go on the site.

thats the admin team we know and love. sums it all up really.thats why there is such a problem on the site.sayin no more because youve said it for me

Ha! Ha! you people will believe just about anything that you really want to be true wont you?

:D

Make Love, Not War

We Are Family, I Got All My Sisters With Me

BREAK IT DOWN NOW.....

WE

ARE

FAAMMILY

YEAH...ALLLRIIGGHT THATS WHAT IM TALKING BOT

i am sorry the person posting under adders admin team is NOT from the adders admin team it is a imposter just like most of the people posting against adders.org

yeah the two most recent posts under my name arent mine, the ones with the smileys because i dont use them either but trust me i am not an imposter adrian. some people are messin about postin under other peoples names but i am no imposter your just annoyed because you dont know who i am.

And so it continues. One rule for them, one rule for others. No apologies, no conceding that they might be wrong, just deny, defend, insult, deny, defend, insult. Nice to see so much interest, like that thing about no publicity being bad publicity, maybe all this fuss might make Caroline et. al. think about how they run the site?

Oooh, just saw a beautiful pig flying past my window...

The way I see it, Confused 123 (sorry, "Annoyed"), is that as you were the person who started off the most recent trouble on adders, you have specific reasons for backing the admin team. After all, you were the one who so supportively responded with ‘what a waste of time’ when Samantha asked for support in the run-up to her Tribunal for her child.

In a time of great stress and anguish, you were the one who responded so helpfully with ‘what a waste of time’ (surely a breaking in itself of the rules of the site?). How caring of you. Just what she needed at that time, when fighting for appropriate provision for her child (which, incidentally, she got, so the Tribunal clearly did not feel that it was a ‘waste of time’.)

How weird then that you should come on here to back up admin, who strangely did not ban you (perhaps because some of admin agreed with you???). Of course you think it’s a great site – you can bully and bitch at whoever you like and make them feel small and crappy and yet you remain and they have left. You are in that mentality because it suits YOU!

How sad that people like Darky and Bimbo, people who have always given a lot of support, care and help to people on adders, should have felt they had to leave because of the unsupportive nastiness that you started with your comment ‘what a waste of time’. How sad that Samantha does not post anymore. And yet, how completely understandable when they, and many who feel as they do, realise ‘what a waste of time’ adders is at times if you go on there looking to express how you feel or need support when people like you are around.